Environmental, personal and governance (esg) dilemmas have been rising within the agenda forcompanies and investors across the world. they have a specific resonance in brazil, not only due to the vast normal riches but also due to its huge agribusiness industry.

To go over how the esg agenda has effects on brazilian company, the financial instances and study institute the fundaco getulio vargas invited walter schalka, leader of report and pulp giant suzano; ilan goldfajn, president of credit suisse brazil and former mind of brazils main lender; marina grossi, president of this brazilian business council for sustainable development (cebds); wesley batista filho, president of jbs latin america and seara; and annelise vendramini, co-ordinator for the renewable finance programme during the fgv-eaesp company school, to exchange views with latin the united states editor michael stott and brazil bureau main bryan harris.

Below are a few edited extracts from their discussion:

Ft: inform us just how brazilian company views the esg schedule today.

Marina grossi, cebds: we startedwork on a movement to fight illegal deforestation. the primary message is that [brazils] ceos are worried about illegality, and from now on we have about 90 companies registered.

This started as a communiqu nevertheless now its an action, because weve been speaking with all the authorities inside government[and saying]: this is simply not a case of federal government or of an event, its a question of brazils likelihood of competing within new economy.

The message is that we can preserve and create i think thats the main message in the communiqu.

Ft: walter, you were truth be told there if this communiqu had been drafted, what changed since?

Walter schalka, suzano: we a pleasant possibility the following year during cop26 in glasgow [the un climate change conference], in which we can address chapters 6.2 and 6.4 of this paris contract [on generating a carbon market] and apply a very critical tool to alter the problem we could possess cap-and-trade contract addressed.

Brazil has actually a giant possibility thereon. if brazil avoids unlawful deforestation and gets better carbon sequestration through planting brand new trees, brazil might be from the right-side of equation as well as the right-side regarding the solution.

We can't await just what companies and countries are telling us, they are likely to be carbon-neutral in 2050 or 2060. in the event that you return 20 years, numerous were saying exactly the same, that they is carbon-neutral in 2020 or 2025. we can not postpone any longer. its time for action.

Ft: ilan, just how are investors using esg agreeable and what do you think this means for brazilian companies?

Ilan goldfajn, credit suisse: once you examine money flows originating from abroad to brazil, they usually have fundamentally dried-up within the last several years [and]part of reason usually brazil isn't viewed as complying fully using standards that some people need.

Subsequently, we have an issue regarding some global negotiations and agreements, there is the trade arrangement with all the eu which has to be ratified and also this is obviously dependent on having good ecological requirements.

We have been witnessing the personal sector entering activity. its perhaps not [enough] any morejust become profitable, you do need certainly to worry about esg. the popular milton friedman theorem that [profit] would be adequate is certainly not relevant any more.

Ft: wesley, most of the force globally has-been fond of meat companies. just what has jbs been doing to handle this?

Wesley batista filho, jbs: we have this technique labeled as the green platform we operate each day with satellite photos to make sure the suppliers we buy our garbage from are in compliance with [environmental regulations].we are sharing our system with companies, for them to [ensure that] their particular manufacturers are in conformity.

Its important that people dont develop two types of market, one thats sustainable and something thats perhaps not lasting. if we accomplish that, we will not resolve the difficulty. what we have to do is make sure your whole price sequence is more and more lasting.

The second part of our reaction is the fund that weve simply produced. title states everything, its together for the amazon...there tend to be 20m those who inhabit the amazon biome, these individuals must have a satisfactory livelihood, [they need] prosperity and additionally they have to begin to see the forest as a valuable asset.

Ft: annelise, how could you rate brazils efforts up to now on esg relative to other countries?

Annelise vendramini, fgv: dealing with the real economy and companies that operate in brazil, we have made some advances.

Including, brazil features a really innovative public plan on agribusiness, its called the abc plan, its been with us 10 years now, its low-carbon farming. butwe are lacking the transparency, the recording and the tracking. this is certainly something that we must improve plenty.

From the monetary part, there have been a lot of advances, particularly in the central bank-side. since 2008 it is often managing on environmental and deforestation issuesand today this has a rather strategic agenda, which is called agenda bc# [after banco central].